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Porter resolute on ‘no discount’ approach to Crains advertising | Print |  Email to a friend
Wednesday, 23 January 2008
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Arthur Porter, the publisher of Crains Business Manchester, has told How-Do that he will “absolutely” stick to the non-discounted approach to ad sales championed by his new publication, despite the lack of advertising so far.

The third issue of the new business weekly hit desks across the city on Monday and carried an impressive array of news stories, but not much in the way of ads.

This has led some observers to question the integrity (some might say sanity) of Crains’ ‘no-discount’ approach, wherein advertisers are required to pay ratecard unless they agree to multiple bookings. When this happens the c£5,000 a page fee falls away dramatically.

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Porter: reasons to be cheerful
However, a thoroughly cheerful Porter, despite the early hour How-Do caught up with him, seemed unfazed when quizzed on the tactic.

“We could have sold a lot of cheap ads, no problem at all,” he relayed, “but when people ring up looking for a deal we tell them ‘this is the rate and it’s discounted for frequency.’ That’s it, no deals.”

He continued: “The purpose of the fortnightly launch issues (Crains goes weekly from 4 February) was for editorial and product purposes, rather than being advertising driven.

“We wanted to ensure that, before we went weekly, the writing, the design and the entire product was fine-tuned and up to speed. That’s why we chose to launch in late December and January – it certainly wasn’t to sell advertising, that’s the worst time to do it.

“Anything we got for the first three issues was a bonus. You’ll find that come February we’ll be pushing that side of the business a lot harder.”

Porter describes his ultimate bosses over the pond as being “very patient” and as long as they’re happy with the product so far (“delighted actually”) then they’re prepared to stick to their Smith & Wesson’s and hunker down for a long fight.

Something that, Porter says, rival business publications had better be prepared for.

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The launch: frontpage news
The response from the business community so far has been excellent and it’s gratifying to see that the other papers simply have to respond,” he said.

“We’re not like the competition. You don’t have to go searching through for the business news, it’s right there on every single page and, with the quality and investment in our editorial team  - 12 full time staff, which is a bigger business team than anyone else – we’re breaking stories way ahead of the pack.”

Porter cites the Lowry ‘salary’ piece that stormed the front page of the launch issue back in December as quality and timely reporting:

“The MEN printed that on 10 January,” he noted wryly, “three weeks after we’d had it on the front page.”

With the web presence and daily email round-ups gradually capturing more attention (“the average user spends five minutes on the site now”) and a “pleasantly surprising” amount of business folk forking out the £74 for the CBM sub, Porter seems to be enjoying himself... advertising or no advertising.

“That will come,” he concluded. “At the moment I’m loving it and it’s also just great to be back in this fabulous city. I feel like I haven’t been away.

“The people in the industry now are the same people that were here 12, 15 years ago. They’re still here - just a little heavier around the midriff and perhaps a little greyer too. As am I.”

But not, it seems, as a result of unduly worrying.

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 1 By Anon, on 23-01-2008 11:36
Ahem. 
 
"Smith & Wesson" 
 
Sorry. 
 
 
Ed - cheers Anon, now amended.
 2 By Slightly more concerned, on 23-01-2008 11:59
When you say "not much in the way of ads" you actually mean "none" I take it...
 3 By Curious bystander, on 23-01-2008 12:17
When you exclude house ads...I couldn't find one...ad...ahem...aka revenue. Still, for two or three years we get the best business coverage seen in Manchester for many years. Our gain, Crains' ?
 4 By Barkin, on 23-01-2008 12:18
It's not the discount policy that's the problem, it's the price.  
 
30p per copy - a £500k full page in the Sunday Times anyone?
 5 By An - in- sider, on 25-01-2008 10:18
I suppose the Crains "no discounts" policy is something that we are not used to in this Town and I suppose it will be a time will tell situation. As an advertiser I would rather pay more and know where it was going. Rather than £200 and not be quite sure. I think that just de-values the product. Stick to your guns Crains...Im sure it will come off !!!
 6 By newshound, on 25-01-2008 11:06
it probably will pay off, the Enquirer had a policy of giving away ads to get the first advertisers in but when it came to getting rates up it proved a challenge too far for them. i think holding to rates is a god idea, it shows you believe in your product. just got to see how long they hold it out!
 7 By Thom, on 26-01-2008 14:27
Oh I say stick to their guns. If you look at the comparable worlds of on the page advertising (almost everyone discounts) with exhibition floorspace (seldom any discounts) it is apparent different approaches work and it all comes down to what people are used to. 
 
Ultimately if Crains delivers on the three "r"s - readership, response and ratecard - then the advertisers will be happy to pay the price and Crain's will flourish. If they don't they won't. 
 
Discounting is all just psychological, ROI will out! 
 
Cheers 
 
Thom
 8 By Charlie Daily, on 28-01-2008 15:32
Sorry this is bollocks. Everyone involved in the buying and selling of local B2B media knows that the market is over subscribed and this creates a buyers market. All regular advertisers learn very quickly that there are few limits to advertising opportunities in the region. It's up to Porter (and Crains) to demonstrate their value. Porter has done his sales team no favours in this. He has created a stand off situation which i predict will result in a reduction in rates to preserve the no discount stand.
 9 By Charlie Daily, on 03-03-2008 13:11
The good news is they are still not giving discounts. Can anyone spot the bad news?
 10 By An In-sider, on 04-03-2008 14:52
I dont think anyone can argue about the quality of the editorial content of Crains. Listening to the grapevine and looking at their paid for subscriptions obviously indicates that there has been a real need for a regional weekly business newspaper that people are paying to read. As far as the advertising Im sure if Crains can prove their audience is engaged with the content then rate card will not be a problem compared to other publications that cant back up their sales pitch.
 11 By Wadster Boy, on 18-03-2008 14:10
The MEN gets worse - this thinly disguised attack on Crain's is the lead story in the MEN Business Media section today. How can this be objective reporting with wording like "in addition to the heavyweight, daily presence of the Manchester Evening News and its business pages". Words fail me.
 12 By Yeilding, on 18-09-2008 16:14
Just got back from Crain's first business lunch where Arthur offered a £10 discount off rate card if you booked today.  
 
Fill yer boots...
 13 By Charlie Daily, on 07-10-2008 13:56
Thank you Mr Porter, see my comments from 28th January. It only took you 9 months to catch up with me.

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